Darrell Sullins Overcomes Peoples Expectations Through Karate, Loyaty,Hardwork | Strategic Moves #50

[00:00:00] Ladies and gentlemen, youre rocking with a goat. Ken Dow giving you motivation for growth. Two toes down. When he keep it villa the most, he do it for the culture. That’s always the goal.

This is strategic moves with Dow. This is strategic moves. Hey, what’s up? What’s up everybody? You tuned into another episode of Strategic Moves. I’m your host, Ken, do. This is a place where we bring art, culture, politics, and business all altogether, and we do it every Sunday right here on this channel. But when I’m not shooting this channel, I am the president and owner of Strategic Resources.

We are political, governmental and public relations firm right here in city of Cleveland. I’ve been doing it right here for over five years, and this show gives me an opportunity to bring some of my friends and people I’ve met over the years together so that we can share some of our experience with you, and hopefully there’s something that you can get [00:01:00] from me, whether it’ll help you in your personal life or your business now.

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and. We’re going to talk a little bit about art and culture, and we’re gonna do that with a good friend of mine who I’d done known for several years. Our kids went to school and grew up a little bit together during that process, and he is someone who’s going to come and share some of his experience with us.

He’s none other than Mr. Darrell Sullins. And if you don’t know who he is, check out this little video we got on him. Find out. Nope.

Hold on. Pump the brakes. That’s me. Darl Suland Sr. Being challenged by my son, who thinks I can no longer break bricks. Well, who is Darryl Sus? I’m a business owner, a husband, a father, a [00:02:00] Papa d motivational speaker, life coach, world-class karate champ, and a karate hall of famer, which means are a very particular set of skills, skills I’ve acquired for a very long career.

But that’s not what I’m here to talk to you about. So let’s rewind.

I’m about to strike these bricks, but to break them, what is my focus? You may think it’s hitting the top brick as hard as I can, but No, my focus is on the foundation. The bottom brick. If I send all of my focus and energy to the bottom brick, all the bricks will break. Why? Because I focus on what was important.

The foundation. That’s the foundation. Got it. Back to the challenge. Oh, tell me, boy. Oh, hi. Let me ask you guys a question. [00:03:00] If you applied the same principles in your relationship, In your business, how successful would your business be? Hi, I’m Daryl Sullivan Sr. Co-owner and no negation. See, oftentimes we forget the principles that got us where we are and help them become successful in our business.

Apply the same principles in your business as you do a relationship and you be successful. A lot of times we forget the free principles, character, value, and standards. If you falter in any one of those areas in your relationship, I don’t have to tell you how bad that relationship would be. But if you apply those same things in your business and you forget about either one of those three, your business will not grow.[00:04:00]

All right? All right, all. So everybody, I would like everybody, let’s welcome Mr. Daryl Sus to our

programs. You Hey, I am great and I’m glad to be here. Glad to be here. Glad to have you here, man. It is a good time for you. Um, one of the things that, um, I want you to kind of tell everybody a little bit about your background. Before we get started, then I wanna get going. Y’all, excuse me, why I fix a couple things here.

But go ahead, Mr. Su Tellis. Are you from, you know, in my show, one of the things I like to do is I always gotta figure out where are you actually from? Cleveland, are your family from Cleveland? You grew up here? What’s your story, man? Man, I am born and raised in SeaTown. I am, oh my God, Cleveland, you are from here.

This is your hometown and all of that. Oh man. And we moved several places in there. I used to live in the [00:05:00] Glenville Air area. Well, you know what, I’m gonna get me one of ’em. Air Horns. Libby, keep telling you, I need my air horn. That’s the first play. Everybody who comes on my show for some reason or another, end up going through Glenville Man.

Yeah. For some reason. How long you lived in Glenville? I went to middle school, or back in that day it was junior high school. Okay. At the old Glenville, fdr. Wow, okay. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And then we moved. Okay. And on Woodside and I went to Patrick Henry. Oh, okay. You still in the hood? And then I moved again.

Mm-hmm. We moved into Lee, Harvard area. Okay. And I went to Elliot. Oh, then you went all the way across. Yeah. Then I, uh, I went to high school at John F. Kennedy. Okay. Graduated in 1979. Okay. You went to Kennedy. Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. And you grew up on that side of town? Yep. Okay. Was brothers and sisters? Yep. I had four sisters.

Four sisters. You was the only brother. The only son. Really? I was the favorite son. And people say you the only son that said then there’s no argument. Oh, was you the oldest? Youngest? I’m the second oldest. Second oldest? Yeah. Okay. How was that growing [00:06:00] up over there in those days? Man, that’s good. I didn’t hang around my sisters.

No, imagine not. Right? Huh? Yeah. You know, I was busy working, you know, I was a hustler man. Yeah, yeah. Go out, stand at the grocery store. Can I help you? Mm-hmm. Carry your bags. And you know, I did it for money, you know, cuz I had mm-hmm. I wanted to buy stuff. So, you know, my mother and father divorced when we was young.

Okay. And, um, I wanted to help out, you know, in one way to, so you was living with your mom? Mm-hmm. So that mean you was the man in the house. I imagined at that point. I thought so. Actually you were Cause I guess so to speak, right? Yeah. So that was good. So no, I was in the same situation. I lived, I was the only male in my household.

Okay. Lots of women. You know, so I, I totally understand that. So high school was good, huh? High school was, it was good. I didn’t know how good it was. Once you get back mm-hmm. Outta high school and you look back, you say, man, that was a great time. Mm-hmm. But, you know, I kind of struggled in, in school. Yeah.

Um, I had a low self-image, you know, uh, [00:07:00] self-imposed barriers. I, I bought into what people told me that you weren’t good enough, fast enough, strong enough, educated enough. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And, um, I had that self-image, and if I can find this teacher today, I will hug her. Mm-hmm. Ms. Gardner, and I remember in, in, it might have been in, in my junior year at Kennedy, she was talking about college and stuff, and I was like, I’m not going to college.

Mm-hmm. This woman stopped the class, took me out of there and spent about 15 minutes explaining to me, it pouring into me. Mm-hmm. That, you know, the benefits of going to college, how it would help me. Mm-hmm. And I was emphatic about it, I’m not going. Mm-hmm. But the reason I said that, because I didn’t think I could.

I could manage. I didn’t think I belonged there. Mm-hmm. I didn’t think I was, uh, smart enough. Mm-hmm. Because I bought in to what society was telling me. Mm-hmm. As an African American man, especially at that time. Mm-hmm. You know, I bought into that, so I didn’t think that I was smarter than the people around me.

So you didn’t play any sports in school and none of that stuff? Yeah, I did. [00:08:00] I ran track. Okay. Yeah. And was you pretty good at track? I was pretty good at track runner, but I, I ran track to get in shape for my primary sport. That’s why I ran it. Okay. And what was your primary sport? Martial arts, karate. Wow.

So how long did you do karate? I started at the Quarry Recreation Center on Drexel. Oh, okay. Free classes there Back at Glenville. Here we, my horns. Okay. You know, they had judo, they had TaeKwonDo, they had kung fu. Mm-hmm. They, whatever type of class they had there. Mm-hmm. I jumped into it. Excellent. Yeah.

Excellent. You know, I grew up over there. Oh, is that right? Yeah. I grew up in Glenville. That’s why I, I keep saying my horn because Yeah. I, I lived in that neighborhood. I, I, I swam at Corey Recreation show. Yeah. I did all the activities up at Corey, actually. Corey was, was you there when Bode. Was there. Okay.

Yeah. I, I, I was there all the, that was our recreation center. You had the Glenville Recreation Center and the Y M C A, but it was on St. Clair. I went down the Y Yeah. And, and I, I actually lived on, um, [00:09:00] between Superior and St. Clair, so Cory Recreation was our recreation center. Oh yeah. You know, almost like, I guess it’s the premier recreation center over there now, but it just don’t seem to be the same man.

You go in there, you know, even when you go in there, you don’t get the same kind of energy. That it used to have when we were a kid going in there and mm-hmm. When you go in there now, I can’t imagine if the kids even get the same type of energy and feel that we would get, because like you say, when you came in there, the people you knew that was behind the desk and Right.

Everything, it was just that whole field that I think somewhere is missing. And I could be wrong, you know, I, it ain’t like I walk into Corey every day, but Yeah. You know, I kind of get that impression for some reason, you know, I gotta go back over there for the little nostalgia to see it. Mm-hmm. Again, well that was my foundation there.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So you started off in Corey? Yeah. Oh yeah. And, and, and so you started off there and, and one of the reasons why, and, and, and, um, one of the things reason why I really wanted to bring you on the show, and it, it didn’t [00:10:00] dawned on me until I started doing some research on you, was that, um, your relationship with Ken Ferguson.

Mm-hmm. And, and, and, um, that was important to me cuz when I read that and I said, oh man, You know, I forget about your relationship, and then it made it even more, um, important to me to have you on and mm-hmm. And, and it really meant a lot for me to have this conversation with you because Ken was one of those people I really liked.

I had started me a list of what I call my favorite people, you know, it was one day I just decided I’m gonna do a list of favorite people. These are people, not just immediate family, but just people that. Genuinely I like because they’re good people. Mm-hmm. You know what they do, how they do it, you, you know, and they may not know it.

So I started me a list and uh, I put him on the list and I actually told him too, I said, you know, you on my list of favorite people because he, he was one of those guys who just never told me no. Yeah. Just [00:11:00] never told me no, no matter what the circumstances was, no matter how difficult this deal was to get it done, Uhhuh from anything I’m talking, anything.

Um, he always did that. And, and so I always appreciated him and, and so yeah, he was on my list of faith people and I really hate to see him go. So I would like to tell us about your relationship with Ken. Let’s take a few minutes to honor Mr. Ferguson. You know, when I, I get a lot of speaking events, um, high school, um, uh, correctional facilities, you know, um, church and, and I speak about my journey.

He’s often the primary focus in that. Mm-hmm. Because, like I said, my self image. Mm-hmm. You know, When I moved in Lee Harbor area, they had classes up the JFK Recreation Center. Mm-hmm. And so I go up there and, and I’m smelling myself, you know, as I’ve been in Corey Recreation Centers, those classes, I get up there and so I get in this class and I’m saying, I’m gonna jack everybody up in here, man, that dude put some on me.

[00:12:00] He put something on me and I was like, if he can do that to me, I want to know what he knows. Mm-hmm. But here’s what was life-changing for me. After the class was over. I’m in the, in the restroom. We are changing in there. He walks in there and he pointed at me, he said, you’ll be good if you practice. Now I realize what I came from, people saying what I can’t do.

Mm-hmm. And he said I could be good if I practiced. Mm-hmm. First time I heard that. Mm-hmm. And, you know, and so I made it my business to be there and, and allow him to pour into me. Mm-hmm. Now, just as you said, the things that he’s, he’s done, he was about Lee, Harvard, Cleveland. Oh yeah. He was about that.

Yeah. And, and, and many people talk about what he did for it and often didn’t charge much or didn’t charge at all. Right. Right. You know, and he’s gave us, I’m, I’m, cause I’m pretty sure there’s some festivals and people right now who still owe him money for festivals and events. He done did. And, and they never paid him, or what was crazy is he, the events were yearly.

So hell, they were so [00:13:00] much in the hole. They be starting next year. Oh, a kid, he putting his stuff back out there. He’s trying to get ’em, can you at least pay me for, I mean, it literally used to be talking to me like, man, I at least want ’em to pay me for last year. And, and, and he continuously did that for folks and I just thought that was awesome.

Yeah. And, and the principles that we learned from him, you know, in business. Mm-hmm. Uh, I actually ran one of his schools, he had a school over in Euclid. Okay. And he had one on Lee, Harvard and, uh, one of his other students, my best friend, Gino McCulley mm-hmm. He ran that and we learned about business. And so it was, it’s not just about karate.

Mm-hmm. And, and oftentimes people think it’s just kicking and punching. Mm-hmm. But, To bring me outta my shell, you know, to have me teaching, you know, gave me principles and, and things that I never thought I would be doing, cuz I didn’t talk to a lot of people mm-hmm. Because of mm-hmm. My low self-image.

And like, I, I wrote and I said my self-image was so low, I wast tri ants. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But, um, I’ve [00:14:00] learned so much from him. So the, um, for a lot of our folks who didn’t know, um, about Ken Ferguson and people who don’t know who we’re talking about, give him some idea what he was. I know in your book you say he was your sensei.

That’s what man, I said, whoa, wait a minute. I, I, you know, and that’s why I say, wait a minute, all he, this was his guy’s sensei, so I mean, that’s his teacher. That’s his guy. Yeah. And then I knew you and I’m thinking about us like, well, hell, now I know Ken and I, Ken was a little bit older than me. And I knew where we were in our ages back then.

For you to say that was like, well, Ken must was really a bad dude, and, and we may not know really the idea, but you started talking a little bit about some of his accolades, so don’t you share with us some of the accolades that that guy had got? Oh man, you, you better ask somebody about, let me, lemme tell you about Ken as a purple belt, which is, you know, about three belts in your training.

Mm-hmm. That’s when he was teaching us. He wasn’t a black belt at the time. Mm-hmm. And in 1975, he went out to the United [00:15:00] States Karate Team trials in Long Beach, California. Mm-hmm. He went out there with a guy that some people may know, like Billy Blanks. Okay. You know, the typo guy. Oh, start up. Yeah. And so Kendall, you know what, I did see pictures of him.

Oh yeah, right. You when you said flashed me back to his office. You you’re exactly right. Go ahead. Yeah. And so they out there together. And Ken is winning. He’s winning in the team trials as a purple belt. Mm-hmm. Billy Blas pulled him and said, look, man, you a great fighter, but they’re not gonna let you on that team with that purple belt.

So that was who? You didn’t say who it was. I didn’t say who it was all. Okay. All right, I got you. And so he said, I’m sure your instructor, Ron Shaw won’t mind for this competition. Mm-hmm. So he put on a belt and he made the United States Karate team Wow. In 1975. Wow. And so when he did that, our mindset changed.

Mm-hmm. That gave us another pinnacle to reach for. Mm-hmm. And so he competed on the United States Karate Team in Madrid, Spain, Egypt, uh, Johannesburg, [00:16:00] you name it. He competed Mexico, Taiwan from 1975 to 1992. Wow. Now they wasn’t putting him on the team. Mm-hmm. He fought to be on the team. Wow. And at that time, they wanted younger guys to get on the team.

Mm-hmm. But he fought for that span of time on the team. Wow. And so what happened was he raised our level mm-hmm. Of in our mindset and said, Hey, he did it. We can do it too. Mm-hmm. He actually had six students to qualify for United States Team Trials. He had three students that made the team Hmm. And two, win the gold medal in at Pan American Games, me being one of them.

Wow. From all from Cleveland? Mm. From the same school. Wow. And we, among, what is it, five of us was the first African American to win a gold medal in the Pan American Games. Wow. Yeah. And he not only told us, instructed us, gave it a content. Mm-hmm. [00:17:00] He did it. So he model. What he wanted us to do and what made me a better student, a better communicator.

Mm-hmm. I’m, I’m telling you the things that he did for us in the Lee, Harvard and area, and a lot of the kids, they, it is a, a, a crazy number of national district regionals, international champions came out of his school now. He was a good brother, man. Yeah. I, I, I, I, I really adore that dude a lot. He, he did, uh, even like the very first thing he did was my daughter, when she first had her very first birthday party, we was living in Glenville still Uhhuh.

And our front yard man wasn’t as big as this table. And I remember I called him and asked him to bring over one of these bouncy houses and he bought over a bouncy house and put it in the middle of the yard. Man, it was huge. Was, except the whole front yard. But every kid on that street came and played on it and had a good time.

And every birthday after that, even when we moved, cuz we moved outta Glenville hat, ended up getting a bigger yard with a bigger house. Mm-hmm. And um, he would bring those things out there every year for the [00:18:00] kids, put it out there and he would leave it. Like, can’t I be back in a few days to get him? Yep.

You know, and just leave it out. He said, you know, they’re gonna wanna play with it and I mean, play with it. My wife used to be climbing up on it, play with that thing for days and days and he’ll come and get it and that, so he was just a genuine good dude. And I read in there some of his accolades, cuz you go into it used to go in his office, you see all of that stuff and Ken talk about it.

Yeah. But he never talk about it. Right. Right. You know, it it sort of like, you see like, okay, why you standing next to with these big old trophies, man, you had to do something. You know, you know, he’ll kind of say that that was, and, and, and that was kind of it. But I I, when I read it in, um, the book here and the stuff you were saying and listening, I was like, you know what?

He was a really bad dude and I don’t think people really understood the nature or, or the magnitude of what he’s done in the community as well as internationally. Mm-hmm. Uh, uh, um, to represent the Lee Harvard area to let people know that that’s what he did. And I thought that was awesome. So let’s go into how that translated to you.

I, I was reading and. [00:19:00] Story. And, and hearing some of the things you were talking about, you said once you got going into martial arts, it wasn’t easy for you. You say you was taking some Ls coming in the door. Right, brother? Oh man. You know, uh, I went to the first tournament and, and you know, after practicing with him, Uhhuh did everything said, and I lost, you know, so on the ride home, I’m saying, how am I gonna tell my mother this?

Oh, right. So I go up, you know, like I said, the steps, five steps. That seemed like a mile. She walked in with that smile. How’d you do? I said, I lost. She said, that’s okay. You gonna win. And so the next month, you know, go to the tournament, you know, after practicing, okay, I’m gonna win this time I lost. Mm. That ride home, man, I’m thinking, she’s asked me again.

How’d you I, I lost. And I’m like, this is ridiculous. Are you losing close or you losing? I’m losing the third time I go in there. I won a match. [00:20:00] Okay. Then I lost within a minute. Hmm. I’m like, this is crazy. I’m going home too longer to get out here. Oh my goodness. And you know, you gotta painter to compete.

Woo. You know? Woo. So I’m going home this time. I walked in the house. She said, how’d you do? I said, I lost. And I quit. I can’t do this. That smile quick. They left her face. She sit, set me down at the table. She said, don’t quit. You’re gonna win someday. And I’m gonna give you the entry feet, but just don’t quit.

And so when she said that to me, a change, a switch within me, and I said, look, I started doing a self-evaluation, then I realized that I’m fighting scared. And I said, I’m gonna stop being afraid and they’re gonna start being afraid of me. Mm-hmm. And so, because I did, I had all the techniques I’m doing the stuff that he’s telling me to do, but I was fighting afraid.

So when you say fighting afraid, what’d that mean? You wasn’t aggressive enough. I wasn’t aggress enough. I, I didn’t [00:21:00] think I could win playing defense instead of offense. Yeah. You know, and these guys, you know, I look at their belt where I’m just a yellow belt or mm-hmm. A green belt. Mm-hmm. And these guys got a higher belt, you know, I can’t beat them.

That was my mindset. Right. But once that, that switch flipped mm-hmm. I said, they gonna start being afraid of me. That next tournament I won. Okay. I had an 18 inch trophy. I went home. My mother thought I won, you know, the lottery, you know, she clapping and yelling in the house. I had that 18 inches trophy. I put it on the television.

So when they watched the television, they was watching my trophy. Then I came home one day from school, look at my trophy. It was gone. Mm-hmm. I said, mom, where my trophy? Your dad got it down at the bar bragging and took it down to the bar, bragging about it. Yeah. That’s good. But that’s, that’s one of the principles I talk about.

And, and that, and that’s scripture too. You know? Uh, God didn’t give us the spirit of fear. Right. And I realized that I didn’t have to know everything. [00:22:00] I have a group of guys, we are friends today. They’re my brothers and the martial arts, we all went into the martial arts Hall of fame together. Mm-hmm. Uh, we traveled the world together and we have a standard, our group, we had the karate class and there was another team called the Flashers.

Mm-hmm. And that was the elite team within the school. Mm-hmm. And we held each other accountable. We did not let anyone compete below a standard. Mm-hmm. And if you did, you better hope that trip was short. Right. Because you heard it. If it was like going to Atlanta, coming back and we driving, you got it all the way back.

Right. And we used that principle in life. Can you imagine if we did that in our homes, in our schools, in our church, in the city. Held each other to that standard, said Uhuh, that’s not what we do. We don’t do that. We don’t think like that. We don’t talk like that. Mm-hmm. That’s not how we live. What the accountability thing and, and how much better can we be?

Mm-hmm. And so that’s the principles that I learned through the martial arts. See, the martial [00:23:00] arts and karate is a conduit. Mm-hmm. It wasn’t the end all be all correct. It was a conduit. The principles that transcend whether you as martial arts, whether it’s in business, whether it’s an education, whatever.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It transcends. And that helped me tremendously. It’s a good discipline. Helped me to learn how to be a father, a son, and a husband. So let me ask you then, uh, how did, in that role, I heard you say you got your gold medal. Mm-hmm. How, um, tell me how you ended up doing that. That seems like that was a big achievement there.

Oh my goodness, man. It was a lot of competition. Mm-hmm. It was a lot of competition. Like my pasta, I call ’em Gina McCulley. Kevin Herd. Mm-hmm. Melva Brown, Keith Collins. Mm-hmm. We fought each other. Now these brothers are exceptional martial artists. Mm-hmm. And I actually, and, and I used to do this routine where I go off to myself Right before I compete, I didn’t talk to anyone.

Mm-hmm. I, I didn’t talk to nobody and I was getting in my zone and they, they used to laugh and [00:24:00] joke at me cause I wouldn’t even talk to them because my self was so low. If I know this person was number one in this state, or he’s national champ Fis, that stuff would start feeding into me, my psyche.

Mm-hmm. And I would start competing like I did in the beginning. And so the, you had to go through region, uh, districts, regionals, mm-hmm. Nationals and then the team trials. Wow. And it’s double elimination. I remember vividly, uh, in the regionals is other guy from the state of Ohio. Uh, we competing. He’s an awkward guy and he beat me and I didn’t understand.

I’m like, how did this dude beat me? Mm-hmm. You know? So they take the top two that moves on. Mm-hmm. So he beat me at the regionals, then we go to the nationals, and then in the nationals he beat me. Mm. And how, what happens when you lose, you go in what they call the losers pool. Mm-hmm. You had to fight your way out of that and then you come back to fight again.

Mm-hmm. Well, each tournament from the regional Center International, that happened. Hmm. And I couldn’t understand why this dude was beating me. [00:25:00] And so we both qualified for the US team trials, Glen Rog, New Jersey. We go there and we competing and I’m on my game. Mm-hmm. This dude beat me at the team trials.

Hmm. So here, I’m sitting you a team scene to get this. I can’t get the dude. And, and here’s what’s, what’s, what’s important. There’s, there’s something that called edification. Okay? Like, I’m here with you, right? Mm-hmm. And so if I bring, I said I’m gonna bring Ken do number one, man in the city, got the number one podcast strategic move.

I want you guys to hear what he gotta say. I’m promoting you to my people. Mm-hmm. You come there and you start talking. And so they interested because I promoted you, I edified you. Okay. But see, a lot of martial arts don’t realize this. And if they did their schools and, and will be a lot better. Once I edify you, you, uh, turn back the edification to me.

Hmm. Because if my son’s there and he has a podcast and he said, dad, how does he do this? What does [00:26:00] he do? How, how many cameras do he have? And I may know, know the answer, but I don’t answer. Why? Because you the expert and I promoted you, I edified you. Gotcha. So I’ll bring him up to you. Mm-hmm. And I’ll say, Ken D has a question for you.

And he asked you the question, you answer him. Then he said, look, listen to your dad. He know what he’s doing. Mm-hmm. You returned the edification. Now he said, the expert said, my dad know what he’s doing. So he’s now gonna listen. Right. If you do that in business, and if you do that anytime you speak, that make a change.

And what Ken did for me in that tournament at the US team trials. Mm-hmm. This guy kept beating me and Ken said he asked the coach when he made it, 1975. Mm-hmm. Noel Smith. He said, what do you think going on with that? He said, tell him to come over here. So I went over there and Noel Smith said this, you got those long legs, use them, use your leg.

Set up the punch. I went back, ain’t got nothing to lose. I did it and I beat [00:27:00] the dude. Wow. So now he has one loss and I have one loss. Mm-hmm. Fight again. I beat him. I won the goal at the US team trial. Wow. Be white because he humbled himself. Mm-hmm. Allowed somebody else to pour into me. Mm-hmm. You know?

Mm-hmm. And so, and, and he was able to return the edification. Okay. And that’s a principle that I use anytime I speak. Mm-hmm. I go and I edify a person, even if I don’t know them that well. Mm-hmm. If they got an association, I say listen to them. He’s involved with the association. The association is helping people.

Gotcha. You understand that? Gotcha. Listen to the mayor, he’s here, he know what to do. Mm-hmm. You know, and the mayor turns back the, the edification. That’s a process that get people bought in. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. Because otherwise, you know, I’m just dad. Right. So let me ask you a question cuz you, you, you say a lot of interesting things and we, we getting there.

Yeah. You, you were also in the military? Yes, sir. The US Marine, United States Marine Corps. So how long were you in the Marines? Four years active and two years [00:28:00] inactive. Okay. So how was that? Did you do any active duty? Like, um, saw any time or anything like that? Like war or anything? Oh, I was in, uh, my first duty station was, uh, okina in Japan.

Okay. I chose that because I was in the karate. Mm-hmm. And cause the style of karate, I’m, I was in no better place for Okina. Right. No better place to be for karate guys. So I went to Okina karate and it’s a funny story about that. Mm-hmm. I get to the base and then when you get there, it’s humid. I mean, the door open on the plane.

Mm-hmm. 17 hour flight. Mm-hmm. The humidity just hit you. They don’t let you do anything for 30 days. So I get there and while I’m on the island, I found out the Marine Corps have a karate team. Mm-hmm. Wow. So I was like, man, I gotta find out about this. Mm-hmm. So I found out the sergeant, who was the coach, so I found out where he was stationed, and I went over there.

Now did you have your medals before? Yes, I did. Oh, so you going in with, with, with, um, medals and everything? Yes, I did. Okay. And here’s a principle that I talk about when I talking [00:29:00] about diversity and mm-hmm. Racism. I go there, find out who he is. I said, how you doing? I’m Daryl Sus, I’m a, uh, Lance Corporal just got on the island.

I hear there’s a karate team. Is there tryouts? Is there workouts? How do I become a part of the team? This dude looked me up and down. He said, we got all we need. Hmm. And I said, yeah, but you don’t understand. And he see, he pulled a ring. He said, that’s corporal. We got all we need. I was like, okay. So I go back two months later, it happens.

Posted all around the base island y karate championship. You had fighters coming from Guam, Philippines all over to compete at this tournament. At that time, it was the most prestigious tournament. Mm-hmm. So what I did, I entered the tournament. So I entered the tournament. Oh, that’s, I’m on the side. I have my, my, my GI on, I have my u USA warmup on.

All right. And I’m working, I’m loosening up and doing my thing. Guy walks by and he said, [00:30:00] he said, you were on us team. I said, yeah. He said, I want you to meet somebody. So he introduced me to the tournament director and he said, um, you was on the US team. I said, yeah, how’d you do? I want to go. He said, great.

Next thing you know, I’m hear on the, on the mic, ladies and gentlemen, we got a, a special treat for a young man just got on the island. He was on the United States Karate team and he won a gold medal. Darryl Sus, and they clapping in and stuff and I haven’t seen me do anything. Right. And so, Um, reporters are interviewing me, people are talking to me.

And, and one guy he realized, he said, man, this dude, we ain’t seen him do anything. He said, do me a favor. I said, what? He said, please win. You know, so I got the tournament man, and I worked them. They had, I’m doing techniques they never seen before. Mm-hmm. I won the heavyweight division, I won the Grand Champion and I got the Outstanding Technique award from that tournament.

Mm-hmm. But here’s what’s special. At the awards table, it was [00:31:00] Mr. We got all we need. Gotcha. That sergeant there. And so when I got, he was like pretty good, you know, so I got my awards and miraculously a spot opens up for me on the team. Oh yeah. Right. You know what I’m saying? Right, right. All right. And so that’s what I said, you know, don’t allow anybody else.

Limitation becomes your reality. Correct. And you know, and so I always teach that principle that no matter what it people think of you, no matter what limitations or barrier. They, uh, uh, put in front of you, you know, strong beliefs triggers the mind to find a way to succeed. Mm-hmm. See, I don’t care if my kids or people that I’m close to the, the guys I mentor, I don’t care if they aim high and miss.

Mm-hmm. My problem is if they aim low and hit it. Mm-hmm. You know? Okay. So we have to have that mindset. Right, right. And, and I learned that from Ken. No. So when you got out, uh, from the military, you came home and you got back in, you came back to Cleveland, I imagine, and you got started and, um, you went to the gas company on right [00:32:00] away.

Mm-hmm. And you go East Ohio Gas. Yes. At that point and was working there. And what I’m trying to get to, I guess, is that, hey, we’re going to hear more from Darrell sells, but right now what I need you to do is hit that subscribe button and leave us a comment. Let us know how we doing. If there’s something you think we could be doing better, let us know.

And if there’s somebody you think we oughta have on the program, let us know. See, all you ought to do is hit that subscribe button and leave us a comment below. Now let’s get back to ero Sus. Where did your spirituality come in? Where, where was the moment? I hear the kung fu. You told me you were in school, so you, he had some troubles in school.

You probably wasn’t the worst kid in the neighborhood, but he wasn’t the best kid in the neighborhood neither. And, uh, you was doing karate, which kind of kept you can, kept you out of trouble, it sounds. Mm-hmm. Like, you know, for that most part. But where, where did you, uh, get into the spiritual thing? Where did that take place?

Your spiritual enlightenment? Yeah. Where did that happen? Yeah. Cuz I’m an elder at my church at Providence Baptist, the church. Mm-hmm. Uh, Rodney Maiden. [00:33:00] Oh yes. Right. And when I was coming back from Japan, well while I was in Japan, I remember sergeant came up to me, he said, are you a Christian? I said, yeah.

Hmm. He said, well, what makes you Christian? My bottom lips start going on. Oh, oh, oh. I believe in God. Right. He’d like, the devil believe in God. Mm. You know, and I didn’t have an answer. Mm-hmm. Coming back, we flew in LAX airport in California. This old guy had a Bible in his hand screaming Jesus coming back.

Mm-hmm. Get your life together. Save, accept the word of God and accept Jesus, you know? And, and I was like, that dude crazy. Mm-hmm. Then one day I was reading the Bible several years later that I took out of a hotel. I’m reading it, first Corinthians chapter 11. It says, Jesus took bread, broke it, and gave thanks.

Mm-hmm. And I said, wait a minute. I knew enough about Jesus that I knew he was God. I said, why did he have to give thanks? Mm-hmm. So in treatment, I started reading more. Then I asked myself [00:34:00] if Jesus gave thanks, who am I not to be thankful. Mm-hmm. So at that time, I got in the word, but then the word got into me.

Mm-hmm. And it told me what, what I should be as a man, what I should be as a husband, what I should be as a father, what I should be as a citizen, and that in treatment, and I start studying the hunger for the word. So lemme ask you a question. What is it in your words to be a man in today’s world? Spice?

What is it to be a man? You know, I’m a, I, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m not gonna ask the question the other way, because that, that’s so many crazy descriptions on what is a woman, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So let’s just skip that. Okay? What is, what, in your definition, what’s a man? What dictates, what should, what is a man?

What makes up a man? Uh, I, I believe that you have your vertical lineman in place. You know, God, family. You know mm-hmm. Have that in place. Um, understand that, uh, I’m here with a purpose, the [00:35:00] to mentor to be an example, to praise God. Mm-hmm. And bring other guys along with me. I believe in what God says, and I stand on that.

Mm-hmm. What he dislike. I dislike mm-hmm. What he likes. I like, and to be an example, because remember he created man. Mm-hmm. First, then he took from the man and created woman. Mm-hmm. And they became one. And so I understand that as a man and as a husband. I’m one with my wife. I don’t rule over her. And, and a lot of people say, go to the verse in the Bible said a woman’s supposed to submit to the man in, in, you know, in Galatians chapter five mm-hmm.

Verse 22. Mm-hmm. But in verse 21, it says, submit one to another. Hmm. You know, and so my wife brings to the table things that I can’t as a woman, and I understand that I don’t always get it right. Mm-hmm. But I understand that I can’t have an ego. Because the ego is the anesthesias. That’s dens, the pain, the stupidity.

Okay. You know? Okay. And so I understand [00:36:00] that my wife is one. And so as a man, I must be able to humble myself. Mm-hmm. I must be able to submit to my wife all the time and I’d have to learn my wife language. Her language is details. Mm-hmm. You know, details. She want details. I don’t need that. Mm-hmm. And I struggle with this sometimes.

Cause like, I’m here, she’s going to ask, well, who was there? How many cameras they had? How many microphones did they had? I don’t need to know that stuff. But to satisfy her, I must speak her language. Mm-hmm. A man knows that he must satisfy his wife. You know? That’s interesting you had that. I was having a conversation with a, a young lady who, who works with me on my way in here and, uh, Uhhuh, she was telling me that, um, her boyfriend or now her husband always say that, you know, you just be.

Not dream killing me, but always holding me back on the stuff I wanted to do and this and that. And she said he’s just wanna just, I said, because I think men, we look at stuff differently in the fact that we see how [00:37:00] we want to do it and how we wanna solve a problem. Mm-hmm. And women, you wanna look at how to do it.

How to write it down. All the stuff that we know we going to need, but we ain’t writing all that stuff down. Cause we too busy building. Even though we got hammers, we got screws, we, we got this thing in our head that we know we need a hammer. We know we need some metal, we know we need some screws and when we finish it’s gonna be this nice box.

But before you want us to write the box, you want us to draw the box you want us to make sure. And that’s, that’s fine. It might, your way might be the West Bay, but we just interpret things differently like that. And I said, don’t worry. I said, every couple goes do that. You know, she a young couple. And I said, that’s most guys.

I said, he, he is gonna be that way. I said, oh, you just keep it moving. We’re trying to conquer. Yeah. And see, and, and we ain’t got time for details. Yeah. That’s it. And, and, and, and my wife needs that. She wants to talk about it. Right. I’m listening. I want to analyze it. I’m trying to figure it out. Mm-hmm. And I’ll say, hold on honey, you on page 32, I’m gonna page 25, just hold up.

I catch up with you. Right. You know? Right. And [00:38:00] that’s what I want. Do I want to analyze and stuff and not thinking, cuz I’m, I’m a visual learner. Mm-hmm. That helped me, eventually helped me in, in school learning. My style of learning is visualizing it. Mm-hmm. You know, and I’m even doing math, you know, calculating the numbers, but I’m also visualizing it.

Mm-hmm. And so as, as, as a man, I have to understand that I have to allow her to use her gifts. Mm-hmm. You know, I don’t have to know it all. I don’t have to fix it every time she says something to me. Right. Sometimes she just needs me to listen. Mm-hmm. And a man who should be able to humble himself to understand that and allow her to be her, you know, and, but that, that’s, that’s sometimes could be very difficult for most men because most men is always fix it.

So that, that, that’s probably why it is so much issues with that. Mm-hmm. I, I’m, we gonna go a little bit often. We’ll get back in. Okay. Uh, uh, I have, I, I’ve been on this thing with a lot of guests and we’ve been talking African-American males and therapy and reaching out and getting therapy and that kind of stuff.

[00:39:00] Mm-hmm. And they said that, you know, African American males don’t like therapy. And then they got into like the older guys like ourselves and saying, you know, some of you guys don’t believe in therapy and this and that. And I told ’em I can’t speak for. All African-American males. Mm-hmm. But I can speak from my experience, and I, I wanna run it by you, but I believe that most of the African-American males who may need therapy or didn’t go seeking therapy was because it seemed like we were always in a position of, back to what we were saying, trying to fix the problem.

Mm-hmm. So if you have a problem, you don’t really have that loan to dwell on it to the point that I need to go talk about it, I really need to try to fix it. Mm-hmm. Meaning that if. I’m having a problem and it’s just on, I can speak on myself if I lost a job or something, and I know why I lost the job, because I couldn’t get my butt up to go to work and do what I needed to do.

I can’t spend, I didn’t [00:40:00] have the luxury of spending the time to sit back and dwell on what it is. Why am I just not this? It was like, man, you lost your job. The bills are still coming. You gotta get up this time and get this job and go to work. So it seemed like you always were in, in my case, it was fixing the next issue to try to get to the next point.

So maybe that could be why I’m harboring so many bad issues as I’m getting older, as everybody’s saying, well, I’m so mean and everything as my kids and others might say. But that’s kinda where I think. What’s your thoughts? See, we hung up on the word therapy. Okay. Think about it. You go through something, you call up people, Hey man, I just lost my job.

He’s like, really? Right? And you talking it out, right? What do you, you go to a therapist, what do you do? Right? You’re talking it out. Mm-hmm. See, we hung up on a word, right? We gotta realize this many ways of receiving that therapy and, and we do it differently. Yes. Because just like what you said, where women may [00:41:00] say, oh girl, come on over.

Let’s send some time to get their wine and whatever y’all gonna do, and sit back, cry by and talk about Right. Brothers may be like, straight up, what you going to do? Right? I gotta go find another job. You know, somebody higher. Yeah, man, you better go see so and so because again, we off to, you better fix this situation that you got in front of you to go there.

Now there’s some guys who a, as I say, who fall through it where they can’t get it fixed. Yeah. It reminds me of a story of a guy sitting on this porch and he’s in the rocking chair, just rocking, and he had his dog laying next to him. And the dog was going

and this neighbor was like, what’s wrong with your dog? Mm-hmm. He said, he laying on the nail. He said, why don’t he get off? He said, it ain’t hurting any bad enough. A lot of times we do that, we’ll complain about stuff thinking we doing something, you know, we have to get off the nail. It’s not about just, uh, feeling the pain, it’s about doing something about it and then bringing somebody else along.

Mm-hmm. And once we go through it, you know, we mentor us. Hey, I know where you are. I’ve been there. [00:42:00] Is that what inspired you guys to, um, well we want, I’m gonna stay on this book before I get into your podcast. So with that, you know, you talk about the book that you guys in, you are in a book. Mm-hmm. And what’s the name of the book, Tim?

The book is called The Elite Martial Artist in America. And, and the reason why I wanted to bring up the book right here at this portion of getting off the nail and surrounding ourselves around good people, that book is a book of martial artists from all around the world. And in that book it talked about their experiences through various different parts of life.

And your portion of the book, you talked about leadership, correct? Yeah. Exemplary leadership. And, and tell me about some of the other stuff that’s in the book before we get into yours that you would, you, matter of fact, we’ll do this. Tell me some of your favorite parts of the book. Uh, my chapter or in the book period.

Be in the book period. Okay. There’s a, we always talk about George Yeah. In, in the book period. And, and I’m going through the book cuz it’s 20 cent mm-hmm. 26 martial artist. That, it’s a compilation book that wrote either in three sections, secret of life, business [00:43:00] or leadership. Mm-hmm. And one portion in the book and Secret of Life, there’s this lady in California, she’s a, a martial artist mm-hmm.

But she used martial arts to help special needs people with special needs. Okay. And that intrigued me because my daughter has a cognitive learning disability. Okay. She’s not into karate. Mm-hmm. But we were told that she’ll, she’ll never, uh, play, run, or learn like the other kids. Mm-hmm. But we didn’t buy into that.

Mm-hmm. And so, you know, and while she was in high school, she ran track cuz I, I coached track for a number of years. Mm-hmm. She ran track and she was the MVP of the track team. Wow. You see. And so her chapter in there really touched me, and I never thought about using the martial arts all my years. Mm. In the martial arts and using it for special needs.

Mm-hmm. She’s doing that. Mm-hmm. That’s a, that’s why I said the book is like a workbook should be not just read just for the information mm-hmm. But a workbook. Mm-hmm. When you read a chapter or you get a perspective out of that, use that as a teaching [00:44:00] point. Okay. Um, the guy who owns elite. Uh, publications mm-hmm.

Is, uh, grand Master Jesse Barnes and Grand Master. You know, there’s 10 degrees. He’s at the top of the mountain and he owned the school for so many years, and now he’s focusing on the publishing and helping other people get their thoughts on the paper. Mm-hmm. Uh, it’s a great organization because I didn’t know anything about writing because matter of fact, when he saw my content and, and contacted me, I was like, I ain’t a writer.

And he said, that’s why you have us. Mm-hmm. See, I thought I needed to know everything. That’s correct. Do all things and see, when you don’t know what to do, you do. Nothing wasn’t right in that book. Was it difficult? You know what that fear that I talked about mm-hmm. Came up again, but I stand on that God didn’t give me the spirit of fear.

Mm-hmm. The difference is time. I have the team of people around me Okay. That I can go to elite publications and, and, uh, Jessica and Natalie and Grandmaster Barnes. Mm-hmm. They wonderful people. Mm-hmm. And they look for people to get their story on paper. They guided me along every step of the [00:45:00] way and I was able to do it.

So, um, tell, let’s talk about your portion of the book mm-hmm. Leadership portion. So what was it your inspiration and got you to write about the stuff that you wrote about and why don’t you tell us a little bit about what you wrote about. Okay. My chapter is Temporary Leadership, uh, five Leadership traits, five Leadership, uh, principles.

Mm-hmm. Uh, the things that. That I had to overcome. Courage, loyalty, uh, integrity, you know, modeling and a piece that I, I called and, and the, the kids that ran for me at Chanel High School and, um, uh, Twinsburg and St. S, they know when I say heart check, you know, when you breaking through that wall of pain, when you’re breaking through that wall of, of difficulty, when you, you hearing that small still voice in your mind saying, quit.

Mm-hmm. You can’t do this, that’s when you have a heart check. I write about that in there. Let’s talk about a little bit of these. Let’s talk about loyalty. What, what’s, what, what’s your, what? When you talked about loyalty, what’d you talk about? [00:46:00] Ezra? What’s your view on loyalty? Well, let me say this in the beginning, loyalty.

I’m not talking about blind loyalty. Okay. Following somebody that’s doing something unethical. Mm-hmm. No, it is just knowing where the person is, what they’re doing, and making sure that you do it and, and giving other people credit when its credit is due. You don’t have a lot of that today. It is about me.

Everybody’s thinking about me. Mm-hmm. You know what I’ve done. Although they have a team, they taking credit. See, I don’t have to have the credit, you know? Mm-hmm. And so when you high on loyalty, people jump through hoops, they’ll jump through mountains for you? That’s correct. When they know loyalty cuz they can trust you.

Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. That’s interesting. What, what, what about integrity? Integrity. Let me tell you, let me ask you this. If you driving down the street, okay? In a car and a person in front of you, they turn the left turn signal on, but they turn right. Mm-hmm. Takes you [00:47:00] off. You can’t trust that person.

Right, right, right. That’s what I’m talking about with that, being able to trust a person. Mm-hmm. You know, they say what they gonna say, they mean what they say, and you can always count on them. And what is tack? Is that what that is? What you say and how you say it. A lot of us ain’t got no tack on. You know that that makes a difference.

Uhhuh, that makes a difference because people are apprehensive about sharing their ideas. You got a team of people and if you just gonna blast them, you come out with a bazooka on them. Mm-hmm. They’ll be apprehensive and won’t share. It might be a great idea that not only help them, but help you. Mm-hmm.

And that’s what you want. You want a team of people that’s not afraid, good, bad, indifferent. Mm-hmm. So what you say and how you say it makes a difference. And I learned that in my marriage. Yeah. That’s a perfect place to put that for sure. And what are the leadership principles? Oh, man. Modeling Ken Ferguson, what he did for us.

Mm-hmm. He modeled for us. [00:48:00] Okay. He modeled those things. And that’s the biggest one. That’s the most, uh, one that comes to mind. Mm-hmm. You know, because he did it. And so he’s not saying, Hey, you need to do this. You need to do that. You didn’t do it right. You know, and then a heart check, like I said, you know, there’s come a point in time that you, you have to say it, look, I gotta do that self-evaluation.

Mm-hmm. You know, I had to do that. That’s why when the cycle repeated himself, start coming around and my son, when he was told that he shouldn’t go to a four year university, he should go to a two, he wouldn’t make it there. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. That brought back to mind what I was told. Right. Gotcha.

And, but he said, I didn’t buy into that because I saw you. He said, I saw what you and mom did, dad. So I didn’t buy into that. See, I didn’t have that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And so heart check is something important that the athletes that I coach, the people that I deal with. Mm-hmm. You look, dude, take a self-evaluation.

Right. If a man puts his pants on one leg at a [00:49:00] time, I can put mine on. I can get ’em on. Mm-hmm. If he overcame, uh, difficulties, whether it’s substance abuse, whether his marriage problems or somebody else did it, It can be done. Mm-hmm. I can do it. Mm-hmm. When you think about the guy who broke the four, four minute mile barrier mm-hmm.

40. They was saying, Hey, you, you run, be below four minutes, your heart gonna explode. Mm-hmm. Robert Banister did it. Wow. And after he did it, you got high schools schoolers that’s doing it now. Mm-hmm. Right. Self-imposed limitation. Hmm. Take that heart check. Excellent. Interesting. Also. So I wanna go and talk a little bit, um, as we close around in this third, let’s talk about your podcast with your son.

Mm-hmm. No. Notifications. Let me get it right. Cause I was saying it wrong. I was telling him I was calling his podcast No negotiations. Yeah, dude. It was like, oh, wait a minute. I looked at it like, that ain’t negotiations. That’s negotiations. So what, what’s the title? What’s that all about? Man? Tell us about your podcast.

Well, my son went to [00:50:00] University of Mountain Union. Oh, okay. And, uh, he played football there. And if you know anything about Division three football mm-hmm. They’re powerhouse. Oh yeah. 13 times National Championship. Yeah. Oh yeah. He got a national championship ring. Oh, okay. That’s beautiful. Yeah, he was pulled to varsity his freshman year there.

Beautiful. And so, but when he went there, mountain Union, you know, I don’t know if you know Tony Fox, who mm-hmm. Who went to, he was a coach at Glenville football team. Okay. He passed away a couple years ago. And, and Ted GaN, you know, they all poured in my son. Mm-hmm. And so he went to Mountain Union. It is like a division one school there.

Yeah. Right. Over 200 people. Oh yeah. In camp. And Uhhuh, he called me home. He said, dad, I ain’t never seen nothing like this in my life, man. He said, this is difficult. I said, try the Marine Corps. Yeah. You know, so, right. And so he got there and he start regressing in his mindset and playing. They were yelling at him and he was making mistakes and all that.

And he flipped his room. He was mad and he realized that he’s playing out of fear just like me. Right. And so he majored [00:51:00] in exercise science. Mm-hmm. And so he was doing an internship at a, at a training facility, and he had a client who wanted to lose weight. Okay. And, but she came in crying because her husband said she couldn’t do it.

Her family wasn’t supporting her and he wanted something that not only motivated him, but his clients. Mm-hmm. So he’s sitting in math class and they doing the math and he sell this little squiggly line called the negation. It means negative. Mm-hmm. So he was thinking negative. He put no in front of it.

So no negations, no negative, no doubts, no fear. Mm-hmm. And so what he did, he went back to his room, he got some press on, he took an Exacto knife and cut out the n o and that line, and he pressed it on a T-shirt. And people were like, what’s that? And he told ’em. And so they bought the shirt. Mm-hmm. He took money back and he bought more.

He kept doing it. Mm-hmm. So he, he created a business out of it and he called me, he said, dad, I got this t-shirt business. And he explained to me what it was, [00:52:00] and I’m looking at him, said, D, that ain’t a T-shirt business. That’s a motivational business. Mm-hmm. And so he eventually, he asked me to come on. And so he w we were doing that, we were speaking, we’d go to, uh, soup for the Soul, Fox Eight Soup for the Soul.

We have a booth there and there are our apparel there. We, we went to, uh, correctional facilities. We went to schools and we were talking about that getting beyond self-imposed barriers or any barriers that put people on and that you can always achieve, never give up. And so the pandemic hit, so we are not going out speaking it and stuff.

And so he said, well, let’s do a podcast. It’s podcast. You know, I didn’t know. Right? Right. And so we started doing it, and then we got into it and my daughter-in-law said, you know what? This is really God’s purpose. And so we turned it, it made a shift. And to connect in real life situations to the word of God.

Mm-hmm. We take, you know, situations that’s happened. Mm-hmm. And we say what God says about it and we research and we [00:53:00] talk about it on the podcast. Mm-hmm. And it’s, it is very organic cuz you get what you get, you know, and based on my knowledge and based on their knowledge and experience where they come from, it works.

They have my son and my daughter-in-law gives me a chance to minister to them. Mm-hmm. And they help me with the technology stuff. Exactly. You know? Exactly. Exactly. And so, um, we found out, uh, little over a year ago that we are in, we got listeners from several countries, Ghana, Africa, Germany, Japan, Malaysia and stuff.

We had no idea. Mm-hmm. You know, that it would turn off whether were you on the web, you know, you know, it was funny because when I, I first started doing my podcast, I was doing my thing and I was doing some advertising and pushing my stuff out there on. And, um, this guy was talking to, he said, he looked at my stuff.

He said, well, why are you only advertising in Cleveland and Ohio? I’m like, cause that’s where I’m from. He like, man, this is the worldwide web. What is wrong with you man? This is the worldwide web. Cleveland. [00:54:00] Ohio. Think what? I’m talking Cleveland, Ohio. And I said, okay. Alright. And I did that. And that’s when we went and got all the, you know, when I, we almost got 4,000 subscribers, I mean, almost 5,000 subscribers.

Uhhuh and, and pushing it that way because like you say, you expand your mind to go bigger. You know that, that’s good, man. I’ve been checking out your podcast. I was checking it out for some years before I did mine. Okay. I’ve been watching you guys doing what you’ve been doing and that kind of thing, and I, and, and I, I, I think you guys have some really good conversations and I, okay.

How can, how can somebody get to your podcast? How can they, how can they find you? They can find us on any streaming platform or on our website, you know, www.no negations.com. And you on YouTube as well? We’re on YouTube as well. You know, my son had the cameras and stuff and he put segments on there.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. It, it’s, it’s, it’s great man. So let me, I wanna close with this and I’m gonna let you do your closing for us, but you also is coaching now you saying now you actually coaching and you got on your Coach Sullivan selling shirt on, on jacket [00:55:00] today and, and Oh, before I let you go, I can’t let you go for us Kam fufu.

See, I was one of these karate guys who grew up in the era of when Bruce Lee and everybody. So remember it used to scrumpy though Scrum down on the hip downtown. You’d be in the movie theater. Everybody they doing karate by movie going on and, and what was the brother name? Um, Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly, uh, enter the dragon.

All that came out. So right there, everybody was doing karate. Used to go on fourth Street and buy the, go to the, uh, Asian store. Asian store. Yeah. Go there and buy all the karate stuff and there the stars, all that stuff.

So again, what’s, what’s the, what’s the style man? Kung fu karate. It’s isru karate. The style that that I, I trained in, although I trained in other styles, but that’s my primary style that trained with, uh, Ken Ferguson. Yeah, it’s a Japanese style. And when you compete, is that full contact? Uh, these questions I should have asked you the beginning, but I’m always Come on with these tours before.

Wait a minute, I’m gonna [00:56:00] ask you, are these full contact competition? This is not mma back in my day. No, it’s not been, they didn’t have that back in the day. Back in when I was starting. Mm-hmm. They were still bare knuckle. Okay. They were bare knuckle days, and they came with the, the safety punches and the safety kicks.

Mm-hmm. You know, you put on your feet. Now they wear helmets and stuff, you know, it has changed some and, and depending on the mm-hmm. The tournament. Mm-hmm. And so what I do, I coach individuals at the, watching the, the last Olympics and karate debuted in there. Mm-hmm. They always had TaeKwonDo, the Korean style in there.

Okay. But the traditional karate was first debuted in last Olympics, and the United States didn’t fare well. Really. And I’m, and United States has some of the most elite fighters They are. And so I made a call and I said, what’s going on? And the guy said, one, you ain’t coaching, you know, and, and so I had to do that heart check, and I said, yeah, you know, there’s, there’s several people out there have schools, but they haven’t competed internationally.

Mm-hmm. So [00:57:00] after doing some research and stuff, I decided to get off the nail. Okay. And so what I do now, I do seminars and workshops on how to compete internationally for Olympic style fighting. Okay. Yeah. So you, you, you, you training too or you just Yeah. Not like I did when I was competing. Mm-hmm. But to get out there, I still move around and Oh, I know, I’m you training people though, like you bringing on students And I go to other schools.

Okay. And I, and I train in the workshop. Oh, you train at the workshop. Ah, you’re doing the workshop. No, I get you. I get you. And so I’ve been asked to, to do my school again, cuz I, several years ago I was teaching. Mm-hmm. You know, I had about 40 something students and I was teaching. Okay. And so, and I was doing it at my house too.

Really? Yeah. And my wife was like, we got one bathroom and all these kids in there, kids running in out here. Yeah. But it started off as a favor. They said, please teach my daughter. I was like, all right. Mm-hmm. Then, uh, some party here about it. You teaching them No want you teach My kid ended up 40, 40 kids twice a week.

Wow. And so, Now I’m, [00:58:00] I’m doing it. I’m out there preparing people for either physical fitness, uh, self-defense or competition style competition. Excellent. Yeah. Excellent. Man. You doing it up, man. Like I say, man, you’re an interesting guy. Only interesting people make the show. And you made the cut, brother.

Man. I wouldn’t say say it. Thank you, man. For, for allowing me to come on. I mean, strategic move, man. I done hit the big time, man. You good. You’re good, man. You were doing it before me, so trust me. I understand. But I, I see the people that come on here, man, you doing it. And that’s what I’m talking about, Ken getting off the nail.

Mm-hmm. You, you see some issues out there. You started a podcast, you bringing these people on, you’re having dialogue about it. Mm-hmm. And then when you have that dialogue, people are doing it. That’s correct. And so I appreciate what you doing, man. Oh, thank you again brother. Thanks for coming on the show and like always what we do, man, we gonna close our program out.

We give you that camera right there. You get a chance to say to my millions and millions of viewers all over the world that’s watching us today, you get to talk to them. Tell ’em a little bit about what you [00:59:00] wanna let ’em know. If there’s a website and information where they can get, please let ’em know.

We always put that information in the description that you can find information about what Mr. Sullins is doing, as well as information about his podcast and his website. But also tell people that, and anything you wanna leave, inspiration or whatever is Hammer belongs to you, my friend. All right. Hey, what I want to tell you is, is have meaning, have a purpose of what you’re doing.

If you’re wi big enough, the facts don’t count. I’m doing what I’m doing now because my daughter has a cognitive dis learning disability. We’re trying to find a safe place for, for work, and, and people can take advantage of her cuz she can’t, she doesn’t understand stranger danger. So I figured if I build a business and she can come work for me, we have a safe haven for her and she can give vocational needs.

So what I tell you is, is find your why. Make it big enough that’s going to get you to move. You can find out more about me speaking, uh, training from [01:00:00] www.sullnetimpact.com. You know, or no negations Facebook, Instagram. You can look me up on YouTube. Uh, if you, if you want me to come out and, and speak to a group or a corporate, I’m available for that.

I thank you and definitely tune in to listen more to this podcast here to strategic move we can dow. Great, great, great brother and family. Oh, thank you again. Hey, thanks for coming on that show and we’ll see you next week.